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plp 31-5-34

Leeds, Thursday July 31,1818

My dear Jonathan.

I received your letter by Mr. Blanshard. I rejoiced especially at the information it contained, that you had "set out anew for the kingdom of glory". Now, do with all possible care and diligence guard against these things which have formerly injured you, and zealously attend to these things which you have known to help you. And let me once more advise you to attend the Prayer Meetings. Take an active share in them and go somewhere and give a word of exhortation, give attention to reading, to meditation, and prayer.

When we proceeded to elect our President Monday morning, there was a considerable appearance of a contest election. there had been a canvassing for Mr Edmonds & one of the other candidates before the election, Mr Robert Miller drove about saying, that as I should not have quite sufficient votes to put me in the Chair, my friends had better vote for Mr Benson, and vote for me another time. When the Ballots were counted, the stood thus:

Mr Edmondson---------------55

Mr Benson------------------27

Mr Moore-------------------15

Jonathan Crowther----------13

Mr Stamp-------------------3

Mr Jas. Wood---------------3

Mr Myles-------------------2

Mr Jos. Talon--------------1

Mr Tho. Wood---------------1


When the votes were counted for the Committee of Eleven, the persons who had the most suffrages, was announced to be Bros:

James Moore-------------------55

Jonathan Crowther-------------55

Rob't Miller------------------53

Henry Moore-------------------48

Chat Atmore-------------------41

John Gaulter------------------41

Wm Myles----------------------41

Jos. Taylor-------------------39

John Stamp--------------------39

Jos Entwisle------------------37

Walter Griffith--------------37


As to the Stations, I am down again for Northwich. Mr Crompton stands for West Bromwich, between Birmingham and Wednesbury. There will doubtless be many changes; but whether any of these affect me or him, it what I cannot tell. However, I do, not know that there is any probability of such a change. However, one change after produces several.

We sit so close now, I am on so many committees have to affairs of my district to look after, and sundry other matters, that I have but little time to spare.

Yesterday, my new pamphlet came out, entitled "Strictures upon Strictures: or some additional thoughts upon the Finances". I shall endeavour to send you two or three copies. Several of pretty good understanding, have spoken highly of it. Mr Gaulter thinks the composition superior to my former production, though I am not of that opinion. I the Defence of Methodism, in the Portraiture, my best production.

I must draw to a conclusion. Live to God, and be active in the means of grace, and in everything which may contribute to your present and eternal welfare.

Tomorrow evening, I expect Mr Crompton will arrive here to be formally received into full conversion after traveling five years. He will bring the Circuit mare, I expect he will have a gig & bring your Mother along with him to stay a few days.

It is impossible to say when the Conference will end: perhaps not as soon as last year.

Let me hear from you in a day or row, I believe the postage will cost me nothing. I can write again at least by Mr Blanshard. God Bless You.

I remain your affectionate Father

Jon Crowther

The Station for London is Charles Atmore, S Taylor J Bunting, J Reynolds Losdon Prest, J Riles, Geo. Morley; and I have not a copy of the stations by me ad I lent mine to your uncle Robert. Your uncle Timothy is also here.



Monday Morning,

Sept 28,1818

My dear Jonathan,

We thought that Mr Morgan had been returned to London the last week, till we have just received a line from him which he has been so obliging as to write, post hand, from Liverpool. But as he will pass through the town almost immediately, and as it is our Quarterly Meeting, we have not time to do or say anything, except that we are all in pretty good health, and all join in cordial and kind remembrances to you. Your Mother is in her usual hurry and bustle in cooking the Quarter-Day Dinner. I wrote to Mr Bunting and Mr Taylor, after I received your last letter, very explicitly and strongly seconding the motion I made at the Conference. I do not see that I can do anything more. And whatever the decision of the Committee may be, I shall endeavour to think it the will of Providence. I hope you will view it in the same light.

God, I believe has a special regard to us all: and in consequence of this, is pleased to try us, though gently, every sep of our pilgrimage. Of lately, I have been tried as silver is tried. but I believe, a future day will prove to me that all has been in mercy and love. The whole is designed to make the whole family truly religious, & still more and more so. Do, my lad, give yourself wholly up to God, body, soul, and spirit, and you will see what great things the Lord will do for you. I believe, and have long believed, that God intended you for something more than the common dog-trot of life. "Enter into his inside life, & sweetly lose you will in his".

Write by the -ochis, for which I intend to write tomorrow. I remain,

Your truly affectionate Father

J Crowther


Ps We heard two days ago from Hannah and Mr Crompton. All well, hapy, and hily satisfied. Betsey entering with vigour upon music, drawing,etc, She has already learnt two tunes, though she never meddled with music before. She has one of the best brain- haus (?) among you all.

plp 31-5-36

Northwich, Jan 30,1819


My dear Jonathan,

Your parcel has been rather long in getting ready; but it comes, however, at last. Would have sent you more things had our circumstances been better. But our difficulties are considerable.

With regard to those two Pounds, which you promised to repay in three months, I would say, when you are ready to do it, pay your Cousin Thomas what we owe him for Tea. I think it is 1 Pound 1 Shilling. The remainder you can send enclosed in the book parcel anytime when it suit you.

We had a letter from Hannah a few days ago, when they were all well, and doing well. But she complains, that though she wrote to you six weeks since, she has not yet had any answer from you. The other affair which I hinted to you stands much as it did, undetermined & uncertain.

To fear God, and keep his commandments, is the whole of man, the whole of his duty, happiness, and interest. Nothing else will be able to support us in death. No, nothing short of this will be sufficient to uphold us in many of the circumstances of life. I have been endeavouring to possess and ------ a little religion, now for about forty years; and yet upon a retrospective view, I can see little but imperfections, though not accompanied with any gainful apprehensions with regard to the a future world. Nay, sometimes I feel no small relief and comfort in the idea that the chief part of my warfare is accomplished. I should like my last days to be my best. What ----- before me on earth I do not know. Only I hope, that he has led me & fed me all my life long, will not leave me nor forsake me when I am ----- and ------ breaded; but that as he delivered & dose deliver he will still do--- ----- I attain that rest which remaineth ----- God.

(Remainder of letter only partly remains and not very readable)

From his father J Crowther

plp 31-5-37

Northwich March 20,1819

My dear Jonathan,

I was from home when your letter to your Mother arrived; and she did not seem willing to answer it herself. Perhaps you may sometime have noticed that we were always very reserved in speaking of your Mothers' relatives. But it may now be necessary to tell you something which you never knew before, and which I did not wish to communicate to any of you. Your Mother's Father died before she was a year old. The farm which had been left him by his Brother, a Clergyman, then became the sole property of your Mother. It brought in when let and --- worth between forty and fifty pounds a year. This was more than 20 pounds a year more than she ever cost them. These 20 pounds in 20 years should be 400 pounds to which she had just claim. But she never got one farthing of this. Indeed, we knew them and their circumstances too well, either to expect or ask for anything.

I must now develop a more delicate business. Two or three years after we were married, I received a letter from Plymouth Fork(?) from Mr. Evan Horner, saying that my wife had borrowed money privately in Plymouth and Plymouth Dock, five guineas from the person, five from another and three guineas from another; and this money was unpaid though it had been owing two or three years. Of this, I had not the least knowledge or suspicion. I was excessively grieved, not so much on the simple account of the money, as the disgrace it was calculated to entail upon us. I asked her what this money was for; and she said to help her Mother. I immediately paid this money and there was an end of it. But sometime after, I again had the painful information communicated to me by other persons, that monies had been borrowed in the same way at Worcester and also at Shrewsbury. I again asked what it had been for and received the same answer. These monies also I soon paid. But it is but right to say that as far as I know no money has ever been borrowed in that way since.

After we were married; I let Protherse(?) draw the first half years rent which was above 20 pounds, and I never had nor asked for a shilling of it. Yet he had no right to any of it. And the  next year he had from me three guineas in gold, besides what was sent as mentioned above. But indeed we soon found that the more they received, the more they wanted. At last they laid claim to the whole income of the Estate and sent official letters to us and to the tenants to notify this. This was the principal reason that determined to sell it. I knew I could not sell anything which was theirs. This point I resolved should be settled once and for all, and that I would have done with them at any rate. The fullest investigation demonstated that they never had the least right to either the whole pr any part of it. They had all along strived to injure my character. They went to a Clergyman in Bristol and represented me as one the greatest rogues in creation. He went to Dr. CLarke, then in Bristol, to express his astonishment at such a rascal being in the connexion, and also his willingness to suscribe to a suit at Law to compel me to do justice. The Doctor was going to send me a trouncing letter, but happening to mention it to Mr. Griffith he gave him a little light which stagnated the Doctor.

"Ann," or Nance as they used to call her has been for many years, one of the Whores in Bristol, and was a favorite with an elderly gentleman, who left her something when he died, but of which she was stripped by a legal process, her Mother's Brother being induced to be a witness against her for which he was rewarded with an office in the Diocese.

The old woman has a little farm of her own at Dickens Dale, some miles from the City of Hereford. But I fear that she has nothing that is good in her. She was formerly better, your Mother says, but that Protherve, who was a worthless villain made her like himself. I never forbade your Mother to write to her, nor attempted to dissuade her from so doing. But yet I know that she chiefly means when she talks about your Mothers writing to her. She means something more than a bare letter. It is very disagreeable to me to write to you such information but it is to yourself and for yourself only. I do not wish you ever to communicate anything of this information to any of your Sisters or Brother, except some occurrence or conversation should render it necessary. This may possibly be the case when I may be no longer able to write or speak in my own defence. You have known me many years; and whatever other defects you have seen in me, you never knew me give a false, exaggerated or distorted statement of any facts belonging either to myself or any other person. Exercise all possible secrecy especially touching you Mother & the borrowing of money. Whatever improprieties there might be in the business it nevertheless fully proves the main point I bring it to prove, namely, that she has not been hard and unfeeling towards her Mother. Well Jonathan, you and I must think about death and judgment, heaven and hell, and discharge our sojourn better compared than we are favoured with upon earth.

As to "Ann" or Nance, I do not believe she is married now. I am constrained to say, from experience, that you must never believe anything they say, except you have other evidence to prove the truth of it.

Before you were of age, & long before she was capable of judging properly, they used means to make her sign away her right in favour of them & Protheroe's children. Another instance of their management was, an attempt to sell her to an ugly old fellow, whom I have seen. He was almost in dotage about her & promised them her Estate if they would make her have him. But, I must stop. Probably you have heard that Hannah was safely delivered of a fine Boy the 13th instant. So I become a grandfather & you an uncle. Glad you are at Mr. Cordeaux's. Write soon we are well & join me in love to you.


Your affectionate Father

Jon. Crowther


plp 31-5-38

Northwich, 19 May 1819

My dear Jonathan.

Whatever is the matter with you, that we cannot hear from you? It is now a considerable time since you promised to write me a long letter soon. But since then, I have had no letter from you either long or short, though I have written to you since then.

I sometimes imagine that you are averse to writing on account of the two Pounds, which you are in debt to me. For it is a common case for Debtors to grow very shy with their Creditors. So these, after losing their money, lose also the acquaintance of their former friends. This is really one very serious reason for being very careful of letting people get into one's debt. Now if this applies to your case, to relieve you for once, I hereby frankly forgive you the debt, upon condition that you write me a letter not later than the next Sunday. If you fail in the performance of this condition, remember I then hold you a Debtors for the two Pounds Sterling. You may tell your Cousin Thomas, that I intend t write to Mr Blanshard in eight or ten days, and shall then request him to pay Thomas his demand upon his making application for the same.

Mr Crompton and Hannah complain very heavily that you have not written to them for many months, though they have repeatedly written to you. In this, you are certainly very much to blame. Mr Crompton is a very good, respectable, & worthy man. But yet it seems, when informed you of the birth of the boy, when out of affection for me and you they call Jonathan, you did not deign to take any notice of it. This is very contrary to that you used to be. I sometimes fear this strange silence towards us is no good sign. We hope the best, but we are not without serious fears- death, Judgment, & eternity will come.

I forgive you your Debt today, partly out the consideration that this day is your birthday, of which I wish you many happy returns, in which wish your Mother, Sisters, and Brother cordially join.

Your uncle Timothy and family removed last Friday from Runcom to Frodsham, which is in this Circuit. I think the situation will in all respects be as well and in some respects better.

I have nothing more to say at present, but I remain,

Your affectionate FAther

Jon Crowther.

plp 31-5-39

Northwich June 26,1819

My dear Jonathan

Probably you will be surprised when I tell you that your last letter gave me more pain than that of Mr Lemmon. It appeared to me to manifest such symptoms of inconsistency, as I am not to this day able to see through. I will explain my meaning. In your letter last before that, you mentioned your debts and the bare state of your clothing, so that you felt ashamed to appear in the Chapel. This statement had no small affect upon the feelings of my heart. You know the result. Cloth and money came instantly. But what was my astonishment, when you immediately informed me, that you were going to exchange the cloth for some black to lay by till the King shall die. It seems then, you were really in no immediate need of cloth, except I am to suppose, that between writing to me about you wants, and the reception of the parcel I sent you, you had taken with some cloth upon credit. And as you told me, you had resolved t buy no more clothes till you had paid you debts, and as I understood you had no money. I was surprized & confounded, And I thought I saw another proof of inconsistency in your thinking of buying up cloth against the death of the King. You seemed in the former letter to regret the expense you had gone to for the Princess Charlotte and said you would not do so again if all the Royal Family were to die together. Besides one suit of mourning might service several successive occasions.

All these circumstances puzzle me exceedingly. I hope some satisfactory explanation can be given. please to say freely and frankly, and if possible by return of Post, how I am to understand those circumstances. I assure you I shall be very glad to be relieved from the unpleasant sensation which has been made upon my mind. Write immediately: and you may write again to Bristol, either by one of the Preachers, Mr Blanshard, or by the Post. As I am the Delegate for this District, I shall be there on Saturday July the 7th.

As to Mr Lemmon's letter, I doubt whether I ought to send wither it or a copy of it. However, under a charge that you make no contentions or litigious use of it, I shall transcribe it for your perusal.


"London May 20th 1819

Dear Sir,

I feel a little reluctant in bringing a subject before you of the following nature. No doubt you have been informed long ago of your son Jonathan having left our house and I must say, did not leave us on the most honorable terms. I am informed you have been acquainted with the cause, But be this as it may, it is not my intention to enter into any detail of the cause, but only to state, that when he left us, which is about eleven months ago, he owed us two Pounds-fourteen shillings. At first he reduced it by small sums 15 shillings which leaves a balance due to us of one pound ten shillings (?). for the last four months we have received nothing, and whether he won't pay or cannot pay, after repeated applications it comes to this, he may write to his Father for it, and expected he had done it before. After five years apprenticeship, I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

What I now request as a favour, is that if you can send me the above sum, or order me payment anywhere in London, it will be doing me service.


Respects to Mrs. Crowther and Family, and I remain Dear Sir yours truly "John Lemmon"

"Address no.8 Galway Street Bath Street, City Road"

Here then, you have a copy of this instrument. But take care what use you make of it.

You mentioned in a former letter, that a Welch Preacher, thought that an abridgement of my Portraiture of Methodism, would do well for Wales. I do not know from whom you had this information. But you are at perfect liberty to state, that I am quite ready & willing to make such an abridgement, and give it up to be translated & published. I shall not be very greedy as to pecuniary renumeration. Anything in reason will satisfy me. Please to see into this matter and communicate to me what you learn. Perhaps Mr Cordeux knows something about it.

I thought of bringing the business of the apprentices in the Book Room before the next conference before I learn from your letter that some of the Committee had become more favourable.

Thank God your Mother, Brother, and Sisters are all well, & join in love to you. MR Crompton was here the week before last. They are all well. Betsey is making great progress in music and drawing. They are to baptize little Jonathan in public in the Chapel at West Bromwich July the 14 or 15th. I remain ,

your affectionate Father,

Jon. Crowther

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